Jennie Garth is best known to Gen-Xers for her iconic role playing Kelly Taylor on the megahit television series Beverly Hills 90210. Fans of the show may remember Kelly’s pivotal “I Choose Me” episode (airing thirty years ago this past May) when she stood between dreamboats Brandon and Dylan and declared that she was choosing herself.
Jennie shaped an entire era of pop culture, and now, at fifty-two, she is embracing an incredible new chapter of life—one filled with bold conversations about aging, empowerment, self-love, and the beautiful messiness of midlife. Through her thought-provoking “I Choose Me” podcast and a forthcoming memoir of the same name, Jennie is using her platform to champion other women over fifty by challenging outdated narratives around aging and sparking empowering conversations.
Today, Jennie, Jen and Amy talk about what choosing yourself looks like on a normal day, and what it means to be graduate beyond our growing family years into a more independent space where a new age of self-discovery is possible because, as Jennie reminds us, choosing “you” isn’t selfish—it’s the most powerful act of self-respect.
It’s time again for one of our favorite features on the show – Listener Voicemail Day, where we get to hear straight from you—your voices, your stories, your wisdom. Today, we’re playing a few of our favorite messages and responding to what you, our listeners, have shared with us after our most recent episodes. Whether it’s midlife realizations, hard-won wisdom, or letting go of stuff that just isn’t serving you anymore—this is about all of us learning from each other. This episode is a reminder that we’re not in this alone—your voice matters, your story counts, and we all grow stronger when we listen to one another.
If you have a thought, story or question you’d like to share with us on the show, leave us a message over at jenhatmaker.com/podcast and we might play your message in an upcoming episode. Huge thanks to Alice, Ann, Sarah, Ashley, #1 Becky and “Badass Becky” for their candor and vulnerability in contributing to this week’s episode.
Also, Sydney Hatmaker said some hurtful things about us broadcasting our bare old lady feet on YouTube and we had to take a minute to process our feelings… and discuss a new dress code policy.
In the span of a single year, Abby Wambach lost her beloved brother, her wife Glennon Doyle was diagnosed with anorexia, and her sister-in-law Amanda Doyle was diagnosed with breast cancer. For the first time, the trio who host the wildly popular We Can Do Hard Things podcast, all found themselves simultaneously lost, looking for answers. So they turned toward the only thing that’s ever helped them find their way: deep, honest conversations with other brave, kind, wise people. What resulted from those conversations was a myriad of guideposts, words of wisdom from some of the most brilliant wayfinders in the zeitgeist today.
In this episode, Jen and Amy talk with Abby and Amanda about some of the most meaningful bits of guidance that they have received from inspirational voices like Elizabeth Gilbert, Jane Fonda, Michelle Obama, Ocean Vuong, Esther Perel, Justice Ketanji Brown Jackson, and others that they have gathered into a new book called, We Can Do Hard Things: Answers to Life’s 20 Questions.
Some of the conversations they delve into include:
Why are we like this?
How do we figure out what we really want?
How do we let go, or forgive, or get unstuck?
Why do we wake up every day having forgotten everything we know?
If we’re lucky, most of us will live an abundant life that’s filled with a number of significant transitions. How we embrace those inevitable life changes and honor that growth can make a big difference in how we are prepared to meet future challenges.
Today, Jen and Amy have the pleasure of sitting down with Melinda French Gates to discuss how, at 60, she is stepping into this next beautiful season of life. By giving a rare glimpse into her interior life, and sharing previously untold stories included in her new memoir, The Next Day: Transitions, Change and Moving Forward, Melinda shares the heart-connecting lessons that we all can apply to the universal moments in our lives – including becoming a parent, the loss of a close friend, the loss of a marriage, knowing the right time to make a career move.
In this episode, we discuss:
The art of letting go and beginning again and making the most of the time between an ending and a new beginning
How growing up in a middle-class Catholic family influenced Melinda’s values and worldview
What it looks like to loosen the bonds of perfectionism and embrace uncertainty in times of change
The new projects, ideas and hopes Melinda has for the future
In this thought-provoking conversation, Jen and Amy speak with “poet laureate of the ordinary” Kelly Corrrigan about the valuable lessons from life she’s reflecting on in this season: the significance of saying hard things, the power of listening and understanding in relationships, observations from parenting and from a career as a writer, podcaster and storyteller, and the importance of participating in democracy, regardless of who is in power. In this episode, which was recorded on Election Day 2024 (prior to knowing the outcome) Kelly uses her trademark wit and steadfast wisdom to offer listeners evergreen words of encouragement for our political landscape and for our lives in whole.
This week, step into the studio (and kitchen!) with Jen and Amy as they have an intimate and insightful conversation with the iconic Ina Garten, a true pioneer in the culinary world who has shaped the way we cook at home. As they delve into Ina’s groundbreaking career, from the beloved Barefoot Contessa specialty food shop to the 28 seasons of her cherished TV show, you’ll discover the heart and humor behind Ina’s success. Amidst laughter and heartwarming tales, the conversation takes a deeper turn as Ina opens up about her new memoir, “Be Ready When the Luck Happens,” providing candid insights into her life, including her early days with husband Jeffrey and the triumphs and challenges that have defined her journey.
Topics include:
Being open to unexpected opportunities can lead to fulfilling paths.
The importance of maintaining a sense of humor and lightheartedness on the journey to success and connection.
Behind the scenes of Ina’s relationship with her husband of 56 years, Jeffrey, where she underscores the value of strong support systems and partnerships in achieving balance and joy.
Whether you’re a longtime fan or new to Ina’s world, this episode offers a personal glimpse into the life of a culinary legend who continues to inspire us all.
PLUS don’t miss Jen and Amy’s discussion about foods they ate as kids that they wouldn’t dare touch now, and the cooking shows that first caught their attention as young wives and moms.
Leanne Morgan was going to quit her career as a stand up comic and start a hardware store (with a cheese wheel, no less!) before she had her major break in comedy. Making the decision to invest in herself one last time opened the doors to an incredible season and newfound success in the comedy world.
Jen, Amy, and Leanne get candid when talking about what it means to be the best version of themselves in their second act of life, and when success comes later, why it can be better than having all your dreams come true at once.
Topics discussed include:
Behind the scenes of Leanne’s viral success at 51
Why being yourself is always the best answer to any problem
How handling criticism at their ages is so much easier to deal with
The cornbread drama — do you add sugar or not?
Also; don’t miss Jen and Amy’s discussions before the interview on Taylor Swift drama and FOMO!
At the height of her worldly and academic success garnering three Harvard degrees, Martha Beck received life altering news, and discovered that maybe she didn’t know everything. This set off a lifetime of pursuing ways to soothe her nervous system from anxiety and find freedom in a new purpose.
In a world where anxiety seems to be spiraling out of control, Martha offers a revolutionary approach to understanding and befriending anxiety. Drawing from cutting-edge neuroscience and her years of experience coaching people through what she calls the “Change Cycle,” Martha shares:
The four phases of the “Change Cycle”
Why anxiety is on the rise and how it’s affecting us all
The unexpected connection between anxiety and creativity
How to access your own creative genius
You’re also not going to want to miss Jen and Amy’s discussions before the interview on embracing the mantra “it’s never too late” and Jen’s incurable attachment to an ancient email address.
Today we’re diving into the profound biological, psychological and social shifts experienced when becoming a mother – a process known as “matrescence.” Jen sits down with science journalist, Lucy Jones, who experienced a seismic identity shift that arose after the birth of her first child.
Lucy and Jen unpack groundbreaking neuroscience research and they expose the deep-rooted myths and unrealistic expectations surrounding modern motherhood. From the minimizing of postpartum struggles to the pressure of “natural birthing” ideals, Lucy reveals how these systemic fictions can breed shame, isolation and maternal mental health crises.
Jen and Lucy discuss:
The concept of “matrescence” – the biological, psychological and social transition to becoming a mother that renders profound identity changes
How modern cultural myths and idealized notions of motherhood as blissful and “natural” can be deeply alienating and contribute to maternal mental health issues
The systemic lack of scientific research and societal rituals to prepare and support women through the seismic transformation of matrescence
The need to construct new narratives, share vulnerable experiences, and build community care around the modern realities of the matrescence
Hey everyone, Jen Hatmaker here, your host of the For The Love podcast. Welcome to the show. This series has been so good. We are in the Embracing Change series, and I can’t think of anybody in my entire life that this doesn’t apply to in some way. Whether you are in change that you are choosing or needing to choose or change has chosen you in some way, we’re all there. This episode, I think, is going to touch your soul in ways that you didn’t expect — including diving into the healing power of writing and reclaiming agency in the face of constant change and uncertainty. Our guest today is so remarkable.
Najwa Zebian is who we have today. She’s a poet, an author, and an advocate. Her words have been hope for literally millions of people around the world. She has millions of followers and you’ll see why. She has quite a story. We were just talking a second ago after we had finished recording, and she was like, “You’re such a good listener.” And I’m like, “You’re such a good storyteller. I just wanted you to tell me more and more and more.” I think you’re going to find a lot of points of connection. Even if we were raised in different cultures and with different circumstances, some of the themes of abandonment, a lack of care, uncertainty, and displacement are universal. She’s going to talk about what she learned, how she overcame, and how words were a part of that journey. Stay until the end, because we get to the crescendo at the very end of this interview, where she sort of steps into what felt like her life’s thesis.
So, let me tell you about her a little bit before we start hearing her story. Doctor Najwa Zebian is a Lebanese-Canadian actor, activist, author, speaker and educator. She’s got her doctorate in educational leadership. Najwa began to write to connect with and help heal her first students, which was a group of young refugees, which she understood. Then come to find out, she began writing to heal herself. She is the author of six books. She delivered the Ted Talk, “Finding Home Through Poetry.” She recently launched a digital school called Soul Academy and a podcast called “In the Clear.” Her latest book is called The Only Constant. It’s a powerful message of agency and autonomy and being able to trust ourselves as the primary leader of our own lives. You’re going to love this. You’re going to love her. Reminder, if you ever want to watch an interview, we video all of them over on my YouTube channel because, sometimes it’s just powerful to watch a guest tell her own story and Najwa is powerful to watch in addition to being spectacularly beautiful. So that’s over on YouTube if you’d like to watch it, in addition to listening to it. I am delighted that she was here and just moved by today’s conversation. So pour yourself a cup of tea and get ready to be inspired by the absolutely wonderful Najwa Zebian.
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