Podcast Category: Lifestyle

The Sacred Yes: What My Mom Taught Me About Courage, Curiosity, and Starting Again

In our Sacred Yes series, we’ve been exploring what it means to choose courage, curiosity, and joy in the second half of life. Who better to join the conversation than the woman who quietly taught Jen those very lessons from the beginning?

In this deeply personal episode, Jen calls home from MeCamp to check in with her mom, Jana. While Jana was originally supposed to be lakeside in Ontario with Jen this week, a last-minute discovery by Jen’s dad, Larry, revealed that Jana’s passport had expired back in April. Instead of catching up by the water, mother and daughter connected remotely—and thankfully, they hit record so we could all benefit from Jana’s wisdom.

This warm, funny, generation-spanning conversation explores the stories, fears, and freedoms we inherit. Jana reflects on growing up in the ’50s and ’60s, the cultural scripts of the time that told young women they couldn’t quite “make it” on their own”, and how her own mother (who died when Jana was just 33) refused to let her carry fear. Jen and Jana trace how that spirit of fearlessness rolled down through the family, for better and occasionally for worse. They dive into the gifts passed through motherhood: resilience, faith, independence, and the confidence to keep saying “yes” to new adventures, no matter how scary they seem.

Jana shares insights from 55 years of marriage and raising four resilient children in a home where faith was central and failure was never a dealbreaker. She also discusses her decades as an educator and the joy of discovering new passions after retirement.

We also talk about reinvention after 75—the “yeses” Jana has given herself lately, from traveling with her best friend to opening her own bank account (so she never has to explain a $78 lunch again!). Jana closes with a permission slip for women in midlife: it is never too late to try something new, and bravery is simply doing it even when you’re afraid.

Whether you’re navigating an empty nest, caring for aging parents, rebuilding after loss, or simply wondering what this next chapter could hold, this conversation offers the kind of gentle mentoring so many of us wish we could still receive from our own mothers. Because, perhaps the greatest gift a parent can give isn’t certainty—it’s the confidence to believe that no matter what happens, you can always get back up and begin again.

[ENCORE] The Sacred Yes to What’s Next: Leanne Morgan on Midlife Reinvention, Second Acts, and Dreams That Are Worth Waiting For

What if your biggest breakthrough hasn’t happened yet?

In this joyful and deeply encouraging conversation, Jen sits down with comedian, author, actress, and beloved storyteller Leanne Morgan to talk about dreams, disappointment, perseverance, and the surprising possibilities waiting for us in midlife.

As part of our Sacred Yes: Reclaiming Joy in Midlife series, we’re bringing back one of our most-loved episodes because Leanne’s story embodies everything this season is about: saying yes to possibility, trusting your own timeline, and refusing to believe that life’s best chapters belong exclusively to youth.

Before sold-out tours, bestselling books, Netflix specials, and national recognition, Leanne spent decades raising children, caring for family, performing in comedy clubs, and quietly holding onto a dream that seemed increasingly unlikely. Then, in her fifties, everything changed.

With her trademark humor and warmth, Leanne shares what it was like to keep showing up long after many people would have given up. She reflects on motherhood, caregiving, marriage, becoming a grandmother, and the surprising freedom that comes with getting older.

Most of all, she reminds us that there is no expiration date on becoming who we’re meant to be.

Over this delightful hour, Leanne will regale you with charming hard-won life lessons including:

  • Why success arriving later can be a gift
  • The power of perseverance through disappointment
  • The balancing act of holding dreams, caregiving, and family life all with care
  • How humor helps us survive hard seasons
  • Why comparison is a thief of joy
  • The freedom that comes with embracing your own timeline
  • What it means to trust that what’s meant for you won’t miss you

If you’ve ever wondered whether you’ve missed your chance, whether it’s too late to pivot, or whether your most joyful years are already behind you, Leanne has a message for you:

You are not behind. You are not too late. Your story is still unfolding.

Dinner With Strangers: Jess Janz On The Friends We Haven’t Met Yet

In a world where we’re more connected than ever—and lonelier than we’d like to admit—what if the answer isn’t finding the right people, but simply pulling up another chair?

This week, Jen sits down with writer, poet, and community-builder Jess Janz to talk about her beautiful new book, The Table Where We Meet, and the unlikely social experiment that grew into the phenomenon known as Dinner With Strangers. What began as a simple gathering around a table with a few curious questions has now welcomed more than a thousand people into conversations that move far beyond small talk and into the territory we all secretly long for: belonging.

Together, Jen and Jess explore why so many of us feel disconnected, what makes a question powerful enough to crack a person open, and how vulnerability creates the conditions for genuine connection. They discuss the courage it takes to gather people, the surprising magic that happens when strangers choose honesty, and why community is less about finding your people and more about becoming the kind of person who creates space for others.

Whether you’re craving deeper friendships, navigating loneliness, or simply wondering how to build a bigger table in your own life, this conversation is a hopeful reminder that meaningful connection is still possible—and it might be closer than you think.

In this episode, you’ll hear:

  • The hidden costs of loneliness and our culture’s growing hunger for belonging
  • Why “What’s your favorite movie?” might be the wrong icebreaker question—and what to ask instead
  • What happens when one person chooses vulnerability first
  • How gathering around a table can become an act of healing, resistance, and hope
  • Why community isn’t something we stumble into—it’s something we create

When Life Outpaces You, Rest Isn’t Optional

Every summer, Jen heads off on her annual Me Camp—a month dedicated to stepping away from the noise to reconnect with herself. But this year, Me Camp isn’t a tradition or a luxury. It’s an act of survival.

In the wake of major surgery, while carrying the weight of parenting adult children, navigating family crises, supporting loved ones through illness, and trying to hold together a life that was once built for two people, Jen found herself physically, emotionally, and mentally depleted. She almost didn’t go.

In this deeply personal solo episode, Jen shares what finally convinced her to leave anyway, why asking for help has become one of the hardest—and holiest—lessons of this season, and what she’s learning about the difference between escaping your life and stepping away long enough to return to it whole.

If you’re the dependable one, the fixer, the person everyone else calls in a crisis, this conversation is a gentle but urgent invitation to loosen your grip, let people show up for you, and remember that rest isn’t a reward for finishing the work. Sometimes it’s the very thing that makes it possible to keep going.

In this episode, Jen explores:

  • What happens when life outpaces your capacity
  • Why asking for help feels so uncomfortable (especially for capable people)
  • The hidden cost of believing you’re indispensable
  • How codependency can disguise itself as responsibility
  • Why retreat can be an act of courage—not avoidance
  • The simple invitation to “choose the lake chair anyway”

Whether you’re recovering from something visible or carrying burdens no one else can see, this episode offers permission to stop white-knuckling your way through life, receive the care that’s available to you, and trust that stepping away for a moment can be the very thing that helps you step back into your life with renewed strength.

Sacred Yes: Reclaiming Joy in Midlife Starts Here

Welcome to the first episode in our summer series, Sacred Yes: Reclaiming Joy in Midlife.

After years spent saying yes to obligations, expectations, responsibilities, and everyone else’s needs, what happens when we finally learn to say yes to ourselves?

In this deeply personal solo episode, Jen takes us to the place where this journey began: Me Camp. What started as a spontaneous trip to coastal Maine during one of the hardest seasons of her life became an annual practice of restoration, adventure, healing, and joy. Six summers later, as she arrives in a tiny lakeside town in Ontario for another month of Me Camp, she’s reflecting on the small word that changed everything: yes.

But not every yes is created equal.

Jen explores the difference between the “obligated yes” that leaves us depleted and resentful and the “sacred yes” that reconnects us to ourselves. Along the way, she shares hard-won wisdom about boundaries, people-pleasing, midlife exhaustion, and why so many women find themselves carrying responsibilities that were never meant to belong to them alone.

Most importantly, she makes a compelling case for something many of us have forgotten how to practice: unproductive joy. The kind of joy that doesn’t earn a paycheck, check off a to-do list, or justify itself with results. The kind that nourishes our spirits simply because it delights us.

Whether your version of Me Camp is a month by the water, a Friday afternoon reserved for lunch with friends, a stack of library books, or an hour spent doing something that makes you feel alive, this conversation is your invitation to begin.

This month, we’ll be exploring what it means to reclaim joy, embrace rest, honor our desires, and create lives that are not just productive—but deeply satisfying.

It’s time to discover your own Sacred Yes.

[ENCORE] Beyond the Hug: How Sara Cunningham Built a Movement of Radical Welcome

It’s Pride Month, and we couldn’t think of a better time to bring back one of our most beloved episodes. Sara Cunningham — founder of Free Mom Hugs — first joined Jen back in 2018, when she was a Christian mom from Oklahoma City who had just started showing up at Pride parades with a handmade sign and a button. A lot has happened since then.

What began as one mom extending her arms to strangers has grown into a global movement. Free Mom Hugs now trains advocates, lobbies legislatures, and shows up year after year for LGBTQIA+ people whose own families walked away. Sara hasn’t just built an organization — she’s built a lifeline.

In this conversation, Sara and Jen revisit the journey that started it all: how Sara moved from the church to the Pride parade without losing her faith, what it meant for her son Parker to come out into a family still finding its footing, and how the stories of people who had lost everything — their families, their churches, their sense of belonging — fell into her arms and changed the course of her life.

They also talk about what it takes to turn personal pain into structural change, and why showing up — physically, politically, and relationally — for the LGBTQIA+ community matters more than ever right now.

This one is worth every minute. Enjoy this encore conversation with our beloved friend, Sara Cunningham!

Testify to Love at 30: Avalon’s Untold Story

If you grew up on Christian music in the ’90s, there’s a good chance Testify to Love wasn’t just a hit song—it was the soundtrack to a season of your life.

Three decades after Avalon first released the iconic anthem, Jen sits down with original Avalon member Michael Passons, longtime Avalon vocalist Melissa Greene, and country music star Ty Herndon to talk about the remarkable re-release of a song that has found new meaning for a new generation.

But this isn’t simply a conversation about music. It’s the untold story behind one of CCM’s most beloved songs.

Michael shares the painful reality of losing his place in Avalon after coming out as gay. Melissa reflects on the faith journey that transformed her understanding of inclusion and belonging. Ty opens up about his own path through addiction, recovery, faith, and finally living fully and truthfully as himself. Together, they revisit the song that connected millions of listeners and explore why its message of love, acceptance, and human dignity feels more relevant now than ever.

Filled with laughter, tears, hard-earned wisdom, and more than a few moments that will leave you reaching for the tissues, this conversation is a beautiful testament to friendship, healing, and the courage it takes to live loud.

Whether Testify to Love has been on your playlist for thirty years or you’re hearing its story for the first time, this episode is a powerful reminder that love’s truest testimony is not who it excludes—but who it embraces.

May 2026: James McBride’s Deacon King Kong

We were supposed to talk about Deacon King Kong. We did not. 

When Jen sat down with Pulitzer Prize-winning novelist James McBride to discuss the Jen Hatmaker Book Club’s May selection, the conversation took a hard left turn into something far richer — a wide-ranging tour through one of the most remarkable lives in American letters. 

James opens up about a scrappy and troubled adolescence in Brooklyn, getting straightened out in the heat of the Louisville, Kentucky summers, and the music that quite literally saved him. He reminisces about touring Europe as a young musician and playing saxophone alongside Stevie Ray Vaughan at Antone’s in Austin, traveling with Michael Jackson on the Victory Tour as a young journalist, surviving the Boston Globe’s newsroom in the 1980s, writing songs for Anita Baker and Grover Washington, working with Quincy Jones, and getting dressed down by Harry Belafonte in a writers’ room. Along the way, he reflects on race, art, faith, forgiveness, music, storytelling, old cars, and why the best writers are simply the people paying closest attention. He also shares what gives him hope about America right now — and it might surprise you.

Of course, we touch on Deacon King Kong—its unforgettable characters, humor, and heart—but this conversation became something even bigger: a portrait of the life experiences that shaped the storyteller behind the book.

Come for the book club discussion. Stay for one of the most fascinating conversations Jen has had in a long time.

Oh, and Deacon King Kong is a masterpiece. You should absolutely read it.

Amy Grant: The Long Road Back to Yourself (The Me That Remains)

There are artists whose music marks a moment—and then there are the ones whose songs stay with us for a lifetime.

This week, Jen sits down with beloved returning guest Amy Grant to talk about her long-awaited new album, a project shaped by time, reflection, and a life that’s been fully lived. After a significant health crisis and a slow, intentional return to music, Amy is creating from a place that feels more open, more grounded, and more honest than ever.

Together, they talk about what it means to come back to yourself after everything changes, how creativity evolves over decades, and why the stories we tell later in life often carry a different kind of weight. Amy shares how her songwriting has shifted, the role of memory and perspective in this new work, and what it looks like to keep making meaningful art in a season that feels both quieter and more expansive.

At the heart of both this album and this conversation is Amy’s quiet but steady intention to be a witness—to tell the truth about a life as it’s being lived, and to honor the people who have shown up along the way. From deeply personal songs shaped by love and loss to collaborations with her husband, Vince Gill, and her daughters, this record reflects not just where Amy is now, but who has helped her get here.

This conversation is thoughtful, unhurried, and full of the kind of wisdom that only comes from living a long time and staying curious along the way.

April 2026: Maddie Mortimer’s Maps of Our Spectacular Bodies

This month in the Jen Hatmaker Book Club, we’re reading a novel that doesn’t just tell a story—it inhabits one.

Jen sits down with author Maddie Mortimer to talk about Maps of Our Spectacular Bodies, a breathtaking and formally inventive debut that explores what it means to live inside a body that is changing, remembering, and, ultimately, letting go. At the center is Lia, a woman living with terminal cancer—but this story unfolds as a chorus, with voices that include her family, her own inner world, and even the cancer itself.

Together, Jen and Maddie explore the deeply personal roots of the novel, including Maddie’s own experience of losing her mother, and how that grief shaped the book’s emotional precision. They talk about why she chose to move beyond a traditional narrative and instead capture the feeling of illness—the disorientation, the fractured sense of time, and the way memory lives not just in the mind, but in the body.

They also tap into the book’s striking structure—the visual and sensory journey it creates for readers—and how that imaginative form is now being adapted for the stage, bringing the story full circle to Maddie’s theatrical roots.

In this conversation, we consider what it means to listen to the body as a narrator, how love shows up in the smallest moments, and why stories like this invite us to pay closer attention to the life we are living right now.

This one is tender, surprising, and quietly unforgettable.