Joyful Spaces with Bobby Berk: Design, Color, and Holiday Vibes

Jen: Okay. Hi. Hi.

Amy: Hi. Hi. Good morning. Good morning.

Jen: So before we talk about our guests today. A little leading question. Some foreshadowing, if you will.

Amy: Yes.

Jen: Were you a Queer Eye watcher?

Amy: Yes. From the beginning.

Jen: First person? Yes. That’s when we called it Queer Eye for the Straight Guy. You know, we gave it the whole long thing.

Amy: Oh, my answers are going to be yes.

Jen: Yes, yes, yes. Did I love it? Yes. Did I mean did I watch I. Yes.

Amy: Multiple times. Loved it.

Jen: Yes. And then the new iteration too. Yes. Yeah. Me too.

Amy: I would say I liked the second version more. I was more emotionally invested, I think. Yeah. The first one was fun.

Amy: You know, eye candy, like a little, I don’t know. It was reality TV. You know, like a good combination of the design shows and it’s true. I can be a little bit the second one. This, let’s just. Every single episode was so dear at some point. Like. Really? Oh.

Jen: I cried and cried.

Amy: Vulnerable and like the kindness when they were working with people.

Jen: I know.

Amy: The empathy and kindness just I know. And then also gorgeous results.

Jen: Beautiful. Phenomenal. I was just looking this up. The first round of Queer Eye. Like back with like Carson and Ted. Oh my gosh. There’s nothing like it’s longer than you remembered. Yes. 2003 to 2007. That was also still a little bit at the genesis of reality TV, just period. Like now that’s all programming. Yeah, but back then that was so innovative and different and of course the like just the, the, the fun gall to say the word queer like in such a public way like that.

Jen: They’re going to just go ahead and call their whole show.

Amy: That was really big.

Jen: Deal. It was a big deal like that. It sort of normalized the community, the language, the relationships, the friendships. And, I.

Amy: Mean, it normalized just the word queer.

Jen: Yeah. Even just the word queer. That’s so true.

Amy: You could say it out loud.

Jen: You could just write it and put it right on the commercial. Oh, God, I loved it too, I loved it, I loved it, but I absolutely loved the second iteration. So you can put a pin in that listeners because we’re going to be coming right back to that show, as you well know, in a few minutes.

Jen: But before we do, let’s do a little jingle.

Jen: Yet another breadcrumb for our guest, John. Excellence today is going to revolve around interior design.

Amy: Got it.

Jen: So in our era, in terms of interior design in any way, are you happy that it is in the rearview mirror like we grew up with this? This is something that was in our houses or your house, or your grandma’s house or just whatever. And we say no. Also, maybe is there anything that you would say love to see that make a comeback?

Amy: Not many. Yeah, but.

Jen: I find this so real.

Amy: I would say shag carpet.

Jen: Oh, yeah. Like, I have so much to say about that.

Amy: Shag carpet through the whole house and sometimes in the bathroom. It’s just like carpet in our bathroom. Just for hygiene alone. And honestly, I still have a little carpet in my house now. I’ve been saying I’m gonna rip it up for two years. I’m closer now. Yeah, but closer.

Jen: Is your brain. Are you closer to the actual task?

Amy: The actual task?

Jen: How are you? Closer?

Amy: Well, I have a contractor.

Jen: Oh, well, that is closer.

Amy: I mean, it’s my friend.

Jen: Is the contractor Brad Hardin?

Amy: No. Oh, okay. Now, our friend, you go. Oh. All right. We’re in line. I’m just going to do it. Yeah, like no more.

Jen: Wait, is that the carpet in your living room?

Jen: Oh, yeah.

Amy: Yeah. Yeah. They have a kid with asthma. I have asthma. We should have never had carpet but whatever. When you know better you do better. So. But shag carpet. Yeah. Never again. Yeah. If you want to have a giant rug. Fine. Take it outside and wash it. But the carpets just.

Jen: Oh my God. Oh, like at my grandparents cabin in Colorado. So it was like, outside of Colorado Springs, up in the middle of absolutely nowhere. Anyway, they built this A-frame cabin in the 70s.

Jen: And every square inch was red and I mean red shag carpet. I mean, it just looked like a whole gaggle of Muppets were just, like, laying on the ground. No, I know, and I think I liked it. Like, I think I, I can remember, like, laying in the carpet and threading my fingers through all the cars. That’s sick.

Jen: My grandma, same grandma in her house back in Kansas. Her favorite color was pink. Like pink. Everything. And she had her own bathroom because that’s how you keep a long marriage. Her bathroom was pink from top to bottom. The countertops, the bathtub. The little. Remember how grandparents did, what do you want to say? Like covers on the toilet.

Amy: Oh, yeah. Like seen.

Jen: In pink. Shag. Shag. And to be honest with you, I loved it at the time.

Amy: When you were a child.

Jen: I mean, I was a child, and it was like living inside a Barbie house, and it’s absolutely amazing. What’s interesting from the Gen-X like perspective is that we. And I’m positive you did, too, because everybody did. All the appliances were like avocado and gold, yellowish gold.

Amy: My house was brown.

Jen: So.

Amy: Brown seeing brown stone.

Jen: Brown paneling. Does your paneling?

Amy: Yes. But honestly, our paneling was real wood, like, polished. It actually was very pretty. Oh, like, I wouldn’t really. I would choose paneling in my house now, but my parents loved collecting art. Like, it sort of had a gallery feel.

Jen: Okay, well, that’s better than the disgusting fake wood. Yes, like paint paneling everybody else had in the 70s. At least I was real.

Amy: And honestly, there’s some of that that I still like seeing when people have preserved it. My grandparents’ house when I was growing up. Did you go there?

Jen: I went there one time.

Amy: Oh yeah. Yeah, yeah. I wasn’t there, but that was full 70s, like the couch was brocade. Green. Sure. All the appliances. And I loved walking in that door, like, just. Yeah. Nostalgia alone. But again, I wouldn’t want it in my own house.

Jen: No, but we do. We love it in our memories. It’s so funny, too. Like, when I look at old pictures, I’m two, I’m three, I’m four, I’m five. It’s just so it is a color palette, like you look at the pictures, but also when somebody, when one of our peers post their little preschool pictures online, I’m like, that could be my house.

Jen: All of our houses looked like that. Yes. Everybody’s house had that ready. Orangy. Goldy Greeny, look to it. Some of that has made a bit of a comeback. Oh my gosh. Case in point. God, I think this is the second time we’ve talked about this on the show, but the beautiful, new KitchenAid, stand mixer.

Amy: With the wooden.

Jen: Bowl. And you know what color it is? It’s avocado green.

Amy: Yes. It’s gorgeous. It is.

Jen: Gorgeous. And I want to build a whole life around it. And so I, I, you know, redoing my stairs right now, like my stairs. And we built out under the stairs and the chair, I bought a vintage chair and had it recovered in, like, rust orange. Oh, I’m just saying that there’s a place for those colors in today’s society.

Amy: There is. There’s a place for all colors. It’s a good point. It’s just we style them differently. Okay. That’s true. And the materials are a little upgraded.

Jen: You’re right. The materials are better. And also, it’s the one color as an accent. It’s not the whole room.

Amy: Right? And our. And our clothing is true. We just blend into the carpet. You know that. It’s so true. Holly Hobbie dresses.

Jen: Let’s do one more segment before we bring on our darling guest. Let’s do a little less and release. Okay. This has clear relevance for my life right now, and I’ll get to that in a minute. But I would like your question. And by the way, you can say what you want here. It’s a free country. It’s a democracy.

Jen: You can bless this or you can release it. You know.

Amy: I do,

Jen: What was it? Was it maybe, like, maybe about ten years ago when the trend was everything was kind of like gray and white. Do you remember when we were kind of transitioning out of, like, peanut butter? You remember that color when all of our walls were sort of grays? Grayish? Yes, exactly. And then it went, cool.

Jen: We went to cool gray and white. And that was what every square inch of everything was.

Amy: Everything exterior, interior.

Jen: Yeah. Oh, I’ll, I’ll, I’ll like there was just if it was stripped away of anything that had any color in it. So.

Amy: Plus and release.

Jen: What do you think about the gray and the white? 

Amy: For me personally, I think it’s not applicable because I never…

Jen: Because you never did it.

Amy: I never did that.

Jen: So you look at you.

Amy:  I wanted to. Because, you know, ten years ago, my house was chaotic. Yeah. For little boys. Like toys everywhere. Like, I loved going to my friends houses where it was just cool and calm and nothing to look at. True. But honestly, that’s not what I’m drawn to anyway. Like, true. It isn’t. My house looks like a rainbow exploded.

Jen: You have a Kelly green velvet couch? I do, and I am obsessed with it.

Amy: And a gallery wall that really does have, like, every single color.

Jen: And wallpaper. Like, you’ve got wallpaper.

Amy: I’ve got some, like, yes, batshit wallpaper going on. I love it. And like that, that design feel in one room is completely different than the other room. And my house is teeny teeny tiny, so you can see everything you have standing in one place.

Jen: One thing worth noting, listeners, and it’s definitely worth noting, and we don’t have time to discuss it in its scope. But just by way of fact, Amy lives in the house where Brad Hardin was raised as a boy. And yes, yes, like this was her mother in law’s house and her husband was raised in it. And she’s lived in it since.

Jen: For what, 97?

Amy: 97? Yeah. So yeah. Yes. And we have that shit.

Jen: The family also did.

Amy: Newsflash we’re not even.

Jen: Yeah. Why would you practically, at this point, live downtown. Yeah. Like downtown has grown out to you. So you are centrally located.

Amy: I mean, there’s some pretty devastating construction going on right now. But when it is done. Yeah. I will be ten minutes from Zilker. Truly on an acre. I know, like, I mean, we we never replace it. No. When we moved in, I was like, this is cute. We’ll be here for a year. Oh, and whatever. I just didn’t understand the benefit of a large lot in a small house.

Amy: And now I fully embrace it, of course. And I’ve decorated it like I’ve never seen the color gray.

Jen: So that’s so true. So for you, it’s an easy blessing. Release. You never blessed it.

Amy: I, I yearned for it for a time when it wasn’t accessible to redo my whole house. And then it turns out the next time I redecorated or painted, I just still went all out. So. All right. What about you?

Jen: Well, I told our guest this, so I won’t belabor the story a second time, but I did, so when I went on my big 50th birthday trip and so I went to the river cruise in Europe and then straight to Iceland. And so the whole thing was, you know, two and a half weeks long or whatever.

Jen: And for whatever reason, that trip put more gas in my tank than I have had in a very long time. I mean, I just came back full to the brim like, okay, like I don’t know what it was, some sort of magic alchemy. I’m not really sure. But one thing is that I came back to my house and went, you know what?

Jen: This is my house. I am the sole owner of it and the mortgage is in my name. I am a girl. I can literally do what I want in this house. It’s mine. I don’t have to. I don’t have to couch it with a masculine partner or check my preferences with another person. I’m like, it’s mine and at the same time, I noticed having kind of traveled a bit that I was drawn.

Jen: I’m drawn to rooms or spaces or houses that have lights in it. Like I like color. I like it when a room is even outrageous. Whether or not I would exactly do that thing, I’m like, I like reds that. Yeah. That is your clear personality and I love to see it. And it feels like the whole idea of, you know, how people would always just tell us, well, what about resale?

Jen: You know, like you wouldn’t want to paint it in case of resale. And I’m like, who ever told us? So we should just like, be living in our homes in such a temporary mindset, right? Like we’re always thinking about the next buyer. What a weird way to live.

Amy: And also it’s paint.

Jen: It’s paint. I mean, literally it’s paint. It’s one day. So anyway, I just had grayed down my house like everybody else did ten years ago, every inch gray and white. And I was like, except that I like color.

Jen: So I’ll tell more of this story in the interview. But I just want you to know that I’m now in possession of a master bathroom that is fuchsia. And my whole stairwell in which we built out underneath bookshelves, painted all the trim and put up this today for huge graphic wallpaper is peacock. It’s like a color. You know what I mean when I say peacock?

Jen: Kind of a greeny blue. Yes. It’s outrageous.

Amy: It’s gorgeous.

Jen: Yeah. It’s gorgeous, I love it. And the chair that’s going under, it’s going to be like orange. I’m like, I like color.

Amy: I’m so proud of the designer who came up with that wallpaper I have to, like, went into a meeting. He was like, hear me out. An eight foot bird.

Jen: She’s not really even exaggerating. Like, no, it takes up the whole stairwell.

Amy: And someone was like, yes, yes, someone’s going to buy that. And it’s going to be amazing.

Jen: Eight foot birds, we hear it. Yes, like I know and I had to, this is embarrassing. I had to buy way more than I needed because it was going up the staircase.

Amy: Yeah. And diagonal.

Jen: At a diagonal, and I had. But I had to run it like it was straight. So I ended up using about 30% of what I bought, and that was expensive. And I told Jenny and Shauna, you know, who did all the decorating for me? I just said, am I being stupid a system? Should I just get a wallpaper that just can go any which way?

Jen: And they were like, if you don’t get the big birds, we’re not going to be your friend anymore. And then I was like, oh.

Amy: And also, if you had gotten something else, those big birds would have haunted you because my dining room wallpaper I saw. Yeah. And then I was like, nope it’s too expensive, too fancy, too outrageous. And I looked for a year for something that would be as good and nothing was ever going to be as good for me, for my instincts.

Amy: Yes. So I ended up getting it.

Jen: See, and all you did was delay the beauty for a year when you came back.

Amy: To it. I need to redo my tiny little office that was once, laundry room. And I might procure some of your extra wallpaper.

Jen: Oh, my God, I have it. It is rolled up in a bin.

Amy: Yeah. Not to be like, I want my office to look like a giant stairwell, but just it’s.

Jen: It’s awesome. You can’t help it if you have eyes. Right. And you know, something’s pretty. Yes, you can 100%. How am I leftover? Okay. No, I don’t know what kind of state it’s in. You know, it’s a diagonal. You don’t say, I know that. You know what I’m saying? It’s just sorting it out. You know what I know.

Amy: But also think about my house. Like, if I’m going to decorate a small room, I need, I need much. I need 12ft² of something.

Jen: It’s all yours, man.

Amy: Okay.

Jen: Oh, that’s very exciting. Then we have matching birds. Oh. Oh, okay. All right, that’s enough. Because now this whole conversation is a segway into the one we’re about to have because, oh, you love him. You know him. You have followed him. You adore him. We have Bobby Burke on the show today. So, darling. Guys. So, darling, he’s actually been on the show before.

Jen: He was here in a really wonderful time called April 2020. So we talked about that with him because he and his Queer Eye crew had just gotten to Austin where they were going to film the whole next season, and he told us they got, what’d he say? Three?

Amy: Two.

Jen: Two episodes in and the pandemic hit. And so he was stranded in Austin for five months. A bunch of them were, they just stayed here. So it’s like, I’m sorry that our city is a scene of like, both rest and trauma, right? It was both. But, Bobby is here again. By the way, if you missed the interview that I did with him back in 2020, I’ll link to it, because it was so lovely.

Jen: I mean, it was a heartfelt conversation, and he talked about how it was. He left home at age 15 just to get away from, like, the homophobia that was just taking him out. And it’s a really beautiful story of his own resilience and his own independence to be who he was. And so I’ll link to it if you want to hear that original episode and so, in case you just, I don’t know, don’t have a television set, let me remind you about Bobby Burke.

Jen: He is an Emmy winning design expert, TV host, and best known for his beautiful design work on Queer Eye over on Netflix. And, you know, he worked with this fabulous team and they transformed, well, lives, homes, spaces, hearts, minds. It was just such a beautiful show. So Bobby leads his own very multifaceted brand, and that’s all over at Bobby Burke Gqom and I mentioned this to him, but it’s a great website.

Jen: Like if you have any design questions, if you’re looking for inspiration, if you’ve got a problem space I it is packed with ideas, pictures like troubleshooting. It is a really, really great resource for anybody who’s designing anything at all. His design firm is a leader in the homebuilding industry. In 2020, Architectural Digest Crown Bobby is one of the most famous interior designers working today, which is facts, big facts.

Jen: And then last year, Bobby released his very first book, which is called Right at Home: How Good Design Is Good for the Mind. And, he’s just a great human being. We love talking to him today. Yes. And so easy and so lovely and so wonderful and so. We are delighted to welcome him, welcome him back to the show.

Jen: And we are so happy you are here, listener. And so please enjoy this darling conversation with me and Amy and the wonderful Bobby Burke.

Jen: Well, we are. This is how we feel about seeing your face on our screen. Hi. Good morning, good morning.

Amy: Good morning.

Jen: You look amazing. I’m happy to have you back. Yeah. You were on the show almost four years ago, I think. Yes.

Bobby: I think because I think it.

Jen: Was 2020. It was a great year.

Bobby: It was lovely.

Jen: I mean yes.

Bobby: I know and I’m like it really was for me. It was great. I was in Austin, you know.

Jen: I know you.

Bobby: Yeah. We went to Austin to work. But then obviously three days into working we were stopped . And yeah, yeah, I just had like a lovely five months in Austin chilling, which was kind of. Yeah, I mean, it went on and ended up going on a little too long. But yeah, those first few months.

Jen: Kind of.

Bobby: Nice.

Jen: I mean, we remember when they were all stranded here, they were filming Queer Eye in Austin. They were literally one minute into the show.

Bobby: Yeah, we did it. We got like three days of the first episode filmed. Yeah. They’re like, oh, we’re going to shut down for a week and then we’ll reevaluate. Okay. And you know, a year later we finally get back.

Jen: That’s right.

Amy: I’m just remembering that the last time you interviewed him, I came by to, like, drop stuff off. And I came out to the little shed and you weren’t answering. And then finally you were like, I’m interviewing Bobby. He’s like.

Jen: Well, yeah, darn it. Well, yes. So this is a different year. 2024 is different than 2020. Yeah. For everyone, for everyone involved. I think you were. We had you in April. Yeah. We met in.

Bobby: What, 2019? Was it 19?

Jen: We met. Feels right on.

Bobby: A little dock in Mexico.

Jen: That’s right. Do you remember?

Amy: Yes, I had forgotten.

Jen: I tried with all of my heart to be a normal person. And I’m fairly sure I failed at, Yeah. Yes, I know, I think I think the low point was when Bobby’s just walking by, just like a person, you know, with his. With his family.

Amy: Trying to vacation.

Jen: Just. He’s just on a vacation. And I reached and grabbed all the girlfriend’s arm squeeze, like, in a vice grip. And then I don’t know if there’s another way to say, but I. I low key assaulted him. Wrap my arms around you. I mean, full frontal, like it was like.

Bobby: Anyway, I was finally sorry. I’ve had worse and.

Jen: I don’t think I don’t know that you have, but I do appreciate your generosity.

Bobby: Surprise. The lack of boundaries some people have, but you were.

Jen: Oh, yeah. But did they just throw themselves at you?

Bobby: Oh, I yeah yeah yeah. There’s. Yeah, yeah. Well my favorite is when, when you’re walking in, people like run up and grab your shoulder and flip you around because I think that I know them and, you know, I think I’m getting attacked or something. Yeah. It’s great.

Jen: Yeah, sure. Yeah. I mean, it’s alarming. And I got news for you. That’s your fault, buddy, because that’s how you are. You made us all love you. And so it’s we. Our hands are clean here. It’s like you should have been, like, less charming. And I mean, so you made this bad, and now you have to lie in it, and I don’t make the rules.

Jen: So four years is a lot of time. You have big changes in your life. Yeah. For sure. It was really fun to read about your really cool partnership with Tri Point Homes, I love that, yeah. Did you read about this?

Amy: I read about it, yes. Yeah, I took a quiz online.

Jen: Did you take the quiz?

Bobby: What’s your style?

Jen: It’s what I want to know.

Amy: Alexa. Bohemian.

Bobby: That’s exactly right. I think you said Alexa, Alexa, Bohemian. That’s nice, I can see.

Jen: Oh, I don’t hate that as a brand. If you want to workshop.

Amy: That, not.

Jen: Me. Oh, then that quiz must be really effective because that is 100% your style.

Amy: I mean, one of my answers was like, I would. I would take a car ride through the woods. I was like, yes, that’s me.

Jen: Got it. Really? Yes.

Bobby: Yeah.

Amy: The website.

Bobby: About, you know, design stuff. It’s about really getting into the psyche of who you are and what you enjoy.

Amy: Yeah.

Bobby: You know, I hate the courses.

Jen: I love that.

Bobby: What’s your favorite lap? What’s your favorite I know, what’s your favorite vacation? What’s your favorite meal? You know, we really try to yeah, try to get into who you are.

Jen: Yeah I love that about you. I love your whole design ethos. You’re your thing, is it? You say it all the time in a thousand different ways that for you, you are working to make design accessible for people, regular people. Because not everybody is a celebrity. Not everybody has a $10 million home. Not everybody has a $15 million budget.

Jen: And so, it’s this democratization of design, which I love this because we’re just regulars. And so I’d love to hear about it because you were a designer long before the show came around, before Queer Eye. I mean, this is your work, and so can you tell us a little bit about your early inroads into design? Like who were you paying attention to?

Jen: You? What were you drawn to? Who did you love? Like, what were you learning in those early building years that now, like, have become this huge, huge, like successful brand?

Bobby: So, I mean, in the early years, why can’t I think of his name now? I keep wanting to say Michael Creighton, but that was my favorite author, not my favorite architect.

Jen: Oh, he’s sure? Yes.

Bobby: Just one second. My goodness. What is my memory? It’s too early. Michael Graves. There we go. Michael Graves. Like Michael Crichton is Jurassic Park. Michael Graves is taken.

Jen: Every day this year. The crossover, clearly.

Bobby: So I would say, like, my first kind of look into design, I can’t remember we talked about this for some or not was Michael Michael Graves collaboration with target back. And it was the very first time they ever did. And he’s a very famous architect. He since passed away about 5 to 10 years ago.

Bobby: But he did that collection of tea kettles and spatulas and toasters and just, like, really cool. Yes, home kitchen stuff. And I remember walking into Target and looking at that before, you know, thanks for this very utilitarian spoon. You just shoveled food in your mouth with it. It didn’t need to be pretty. It just needed to be functional.

Bobby: But I remember looking at those items and being like, oh, there’s people out there thinking about not only how things function, but how things make you feel and how things look while they’re functioning. And that’s what really made me start thinking about design and the connection between mental health and design. Because, you know, things can make you feel good while they’re helping you.

Bobby: And that was kind of where I got started thinking about wanting to go in design was, you know, a kid, a kid, probably late teens at that point, standing in target, you know, looking at Michael Greg’s collection. And that’s always been kind of my, my ethos is to, to make things functional, but to make people happy because your space really affects who you are, really affects your mental health.

Bobby: It affects you both inside and outside the home. It reflects or affects your relationships with your family. You know, if you don’t have a good functioning home, you’re frustrated. You’re annoyed. Well, that gets taken out on your kids when they’re little shitheads. And you know, when you dropped your face cream out of your cabinet in the morning because there was too much stuff in it.

Bobby: And by the time you get down to the kitchen with your kids, you’ve just had enough. And they haven’t even opened their mouths yet. You know, a good, functioning home really affects so many parts of your life.

Jen: You’re right. It absolutely, that is so true. I love that. I don’t remember if you mentioned that collab, that Target collab is your kind of inspo. I love that. I remember this goes back to this idea of you making design beautiful and accessible for regular people. My first memory of that is when Isaac Mizrahi did his collaboration with Target.

Jen: Do you remember that Bobby?

Bobby: Like, I think he was the second one, I think.

Jen: Was he two?

Bobby: Yeah, I think I yeah, number two. So about four years ago, 4 or 5 years ago. Oh God. And he got six years ago at this point, Target had their 20th anniversary of collabs. So it was 20 years. Wow. And they actually had me be in the ad campaign. So I was on a billboard in Times Square.

Bobby: I was in the book, I hosted the big launch party. And so, to be able to be a part of that, to be a part of something that was so that had such an effect on me and my career and my path in life was really, really special. And Isaac was part of that shoot as well.

Jen: That’s so cool.

Amy: Oh.

Jen: Well, that was so forward thinking, like just a consumer model. I never remember how much shit people gave Isaac for that, that he was like dumbing down fashion and selling out to the masses. And you know what he’s doing? Laughing all the way to the bank, wasn’t he? Yeah. Yeah, I loved his stuff.

Amy: Even though.

Bobby: Years ago, I shared an office with Naomi Campbell, and we share. Sure. That makes sense. It was. This is like 20 of those 20 years ago. And, yeah, she would do commercials for things that we just found very off brand for her.

Jen: Okay. And we’re like, I don’t I don’t.

Bobby: Get this like a Dunkin Donuts commercial. It just doesn’t really fit. And she’s like, darling, sell to the masses and dine with the classes, you know. So Isaac, I bet you felt the same way. He’s like, honey, you know, make your clothing accessible. Make it for everyone.

Jen: Oh, my.

Amy: Gosh, that isn’t.

Jen: It. Can’t you see her saying that?

Amy: Yes. Yeah.

Jen: Me too.

Bobby: Sell to the.

Amy: Masses.

Bobby: Dine with the class.

Amy: Dine with.

Jen: The class. Oh, my gosh.

Amy: Even though that was your inspiration to, to get into design in your book, I’m paraphrasing, but you say something about, your instincts or the CEO of your design project.

Jen: I love that sentence.

Amy: And if you love it, it will work every damn time. But there is something to be said for having natural good instincts about design. When did you notice that you were drawn to that or had a talent for that? Was it early in childhood?

Jen: Yeah.

Bobby: I mean, I remember from like my fifth or sixth birthday, using my birthday money to buy decor for my room because I, I didn’t like. Either my mother had my room decorated in all red and I just like that was not my vibe. It was not relaxing. Yeah. Then, and so I used my birthday money to buy, you know, blue stuff and dinosaur posters, you know, so it’s been something that even as a little single digit kid, I understood the impact that design has on your mental health.

Jen: Oh my gosh, that is so on brand. The die I was cast early on, I really love that quote from you. I love when you tell people your instincts are the CEO of your own project. No joke, I wish I had a picture to show you. I just had my entire master bathroom. You know, I’m divorced now, and so this is my house. I own it, and the only adult here, the mortgage is mine. So I’m like, I could do what I want. It’s my house. Like, I can make it look however I want. It doesn’t have to be all grayed down like I did ten years ago. And I really notice that I’m always drawn to punchy rooms. Like where it’s full of life like this. This room has character. So I just painted my entire master bathroom, which is like 12ft ceilings and it’s over the top fuchsia. I mean, it is Palm Springs glam, like these twinkly lights and big graphic wallpaper and like, it’s outrageous. You saw it. It’s outrageous.

Amy: It’s outrageous in college.

Bobby: That right? One question I do have, though, is how does that bright fuchsia color affect you getting ready with makeup.

Jen: Now that’s a great question.

Bobby: Does it reflect off your skin?

Jen: You know, that is so funny. I haven’t even noticed, you know.

Bobby: Well, then it’s fine. That it’s fine. I guess it’s fine. Colors. Yeah, there are some colors I always kind of recommend. Not doing like a red. I would never recommend doing a bathroom red because.

Jen: Because it’s.

Bobby: Shiny color. It’s because of the mirrors in front of you. I mean, it’s reflecting. So that color when the lights come on, will reflect on your skin and have an effect on you getting brighter. But if you don’t notice it, then it’s fine. It must be a big enough room. That is fine. Yeah, yeah. You’re good.

Jen: Well, even if it does. Look, I’ve been doing my makeup the same way for 25 years. What?

Bobby: Different you’re like. I can do it. You.

Jen: I mean, I can do it in the dark, like it’s not that fancy.

Bobby: So I had somebody, but, I had a friend of a few years ago paint her room a very bright green, and we started noticing her makeup was looking weird. We’re like, what is. Oh, my gosh, the foundation you’re using recently, she’s like, I don’t know. I just feel like every time I come out of the bathroom now, I look weird and I realize I’m like, it’s because this green you’re using is reflecting off your skin and you’re compensating in the mirror because you think that’s the color.

Bobby: And so we we had to we had to do just one accent while in the bathroom with that and then paint the rest the more neutral color, because of the size of her bathroom and the way the mirrors were in the lights, it was reflecting that hue on her skin and she didn’t realize it. And she was adjusting her makeup for that. She’s like, yeah, I just like skin. It’s it’s really weird lately. And I’m like, no, no, no, it’s the color in your bath.

Jen: She’s like, I’m jaundice. And I don’t know why I get plenty of sun. This is why you are a designer. Like that thought would never have occurred to me. It’s not at all like this is the thought that a designer says, now let’s think through the future. Let’s just discuss all the ways that could go. That’s why you’re good at what you do.

Jen: Hell, and it’s. By the way, let me say this. Your website is awesome, Bobby. It is jammed with good stuff like, just idea after idea after idea after. Here’s a small space, here’s tall walls. Here’s. If you like this style, Here’s if you like this. It’s just so good. Like I, I went down a rabbit hole and felt like, well, I guess I need a whole new house.

Jen: Like I’ve been inspired. But, I would love to hear some of your, you know, you you were in New York for what is it, 20 years?

Bobby: Oh, no. How old do you think I am? No, I was there for 12, 12 years.

Jen: Okay. 12 years. 12 years in New York. So, tell me a little bit about that season of your career, because.

Amy: Have you. Wow.

Jen: As far as I know.

Bobby: There for nine.

Amy: Year time spared.

Jen: How old are you, Bobby? Oh, do we not say that? Oh, you’re 43. Okay.

Bobby: Yeah, I’m in the public space. I can’t lie about my age now.

Jen: Somebody else. There’s no hiding from Al Gore’s internet.

Bobby: A few years ago, it was during the Emmys and we were going out. And Joey King is a friend of mine, and we were we were leaving an Emmy party, and Wanda Sykes happened to be with us, and we were going to go to the Abbey in L.A. and Joey was like, you know, as we’re coming up, she’s like, by the way, I’m, I’m 19.

Bobby: And first of all, we’re like, wait, what? What?

Jen: Okay, first of all, what?

Bobby: Yeah. But I mean, you know, she’s been in Hollywood since she was like four years old. She is not sure. 19 year old. I thought she was the young 30. I was like, it’s okay, it’s okay. We’ll just tell them you, like, forgot your ID. It’s fine. You’re with me. And so we get to that format and she was like, yeah, I forgot my ID and he’s like, oh, okay.

Bobby: The people just googled her. He’s like, that’s tattooed. Yeah. So it’s oh, she’s like, okay, I gotta go home. Yeah. So it’s yeah, we can’t lie about our age.

Jen: Oh my God. That is in modern day right there. Yeah. Look, the gig is up. Like the gig is up. My mom went to high school with Kirstie Alley, and for years, like her, Kelsey’s whole adult career, she put herself quite a bit south of her age. And I’m like, you could do that. In the olden days, you really could.

Bobby: You can’t do it now.

Jen: You’re like classmates aren’t coming for you. Where are they going to do it? Where are they going to mail a letter?

Bobby: Even ten? He always said he was a year younger because online, for some reason it said he was a year younger on his wiki. And so he was like oh he’s going to go with it. But then somehow someone figured it out and it was fixed online. And so now I can’t.

Jen: Okay, that’s hilarious. I’m just saying what the internet says, damn it. By the way, because you just said this word and it gave me a ping in my brain. Can we talk about how you looked at the Emmys this year?

Bobby: My thank you, dude.

Jen: I, I wrote on your Instagram account, I was like, the glamor is hurting my eyes. Like, thank you. You looked like $10 million. It looks like today.

Bobby: In this economy. That’s great.

Jen: It is in this economy. That’ll get you something. Yeah, that’ll get you something. You look so great. Did you do all your own styling or did you have a helper?

Bobby: No, no, I have an amazing stylist named Benjamin. He’s phenomenal. I’ve been with him for quite a few years now. Yeah, yeah.

Jen: Yeah, yeah. You were a smoke show. Absolutely amazing. Okay, but here’s what I was asking you. Going. I’d love to hear you talk a bit about the New York portion of your career. I mean, you were really building at that point, and you were working for other companies, and you were you were just you were having your comeuppance.

Jen: And so I’d love to just hear about what you felt like for those 12 years in New York. And what was it like to design for clients? And were they all like the penthouses that we see in the movies, or were you doing smalls? What were you doing?

Bobby: So in New York, I moved there when I was 21. I had planned on just, you know, getting a job as a server. I really had no other direction. And then when I got there, I found out that you can’t get a job as a server in New York unless you have New York City server experience.

Jen: Oh, yeah. Yeah. Sorry about that.

Bobby: Yeah. Right. And so it took me about three months to find a job, and I had done retail management for years as well. So my first job was a manager at Restoration Hardware. And so that, you know, I had worked retail, I worked at the Bombay Company, I had worked at the Great Indoors, and then Restoration Hardware and, you know, again, I had always loved design growing up, but I never thought that that could be a career because I assumed I needed to go to school for that, which you should if you want to be a designer.

Bobby: It really does help. And so I worked there for a while and then, you know, I ended up at Bed, Bath, and Beyond then, a few other companies. Portico. And then eventually I started my own online retail store for furniture. It was one of the first online retailers for furniture in the US, period. And that did well.

Bobby: And so then I opened up my own brick and mortar stores in New York and Miami and LA, and that’s when I really started loving helping the customers design their homes more than running a retail company. Retail is the soul crushing, sometimes brutal. And so, you know, as years went on, I started focusing more on helping customers design their spaces.

Bobby: But I never really fully designed a home from scratch until 2015. You know, I was really…

Jen: Wow.

Bobby: Curator of pretty things. I always like to say, yeah, you know, I picked out everything for the stores. I would help customers pick out stuff for their house. But, you know, I wasn’t doing construction documents. I wasn’t doing electrical planning. You know, I wasn’t doing tile layouts. I was just picking out furniture. And it wasn’t until 2015 I got a call from builder magazine, and they were partnering with Tri Point Homes to design the show homes for the International Builder show in Vegas, and it was all about what millennials wanted in homes.

Bobby: Now, of course, we don’t care how many walls, what we think about Gen Z. And so I, you know, they’re like, can you do this? And I’m like, yes, yes, of course. And I was like, I have no idea what I’m doing. I had, you know, I still don’t know how to use CAD. So I got on YouTube and Google and I figured it out, and I taught myself what I needed to learn and install those homes, and they were a big success.

Bobby: And then Tri Point started hiring me to do for homes and in some of their developments. And then fast forward, you know, ten years later, we’re in a huge partnership together. And I do a big chunk of their communities across the U.S and 15, 16, 17 different metro areas now. And it’s been an awesome partnership.

Bobby: I always like to say we dated for about eight years before we finally got married.

Jen: Sure.

Bobby: I got a great loving relationship.

I say, you know, I love working with TriPointe, because, you know, obviously there’s a lot of designers out there who love the big, fancy multi-million dollar projects, and that’s great, you know? Good for you, I’m sure. Do your thing for me. Yeah. Every once in a while, I will do some of those. But, I like designing homes for real people.

Bobby: I like showing people that, you know, you can make that $200,000 or, you know, depending on the market, you know, Tri Point has homes everywhere from depending on where they are from, $200,000 to, you know, 4 or $5 million, depending on the market. Yeah. So sometimes we do get to do like we just did a beautiful development up in Seattle.

Bobby: And I think the homes are I think the one we did was like 3.5. And so yeah, the great thing about Tri Point is they’re, they’re a home builder, you know, you might say a nice home builders. And I don’t love to use the word mass, but they’re a home builder that really thinks about design and that was one of the reasons why I’ve always had a lot of fun working with them, because it’s not just about the bottom line for them.

Bobby: It’s really about how these homes make people feel. And it’s there. They try what makes it feel much more like a custom home builder than a mass homebuilder? Yeah, you would associate some of the other builders with totally and there and Austin there.

Jen: Yeah, I saw that, I saw that. Are they up and running in Austin? It was, yeah.

Bobby: We did our first community with them out in Dripping Springs. I think we installed it. Yeah. Last year. Sometimes. Yeah.

Jen: That’s awesome. What a cool partnership.

Amy: It’s, I want to pivot and talk about the holiday season that’s almost upon us. Yeah.

Jen: Once it hits October, it’s New Year’s.

Bobby: So basically.

Jen: Like, we’re just in it.

Amy: Comes fast. What? I’d love to know what your relationship is with the holidays and what you and your husband do to feel festive.

Jen: Which one is a good question? Yeah.

Amy: I mean, honestly, starting in November and on. Yeah, it’s sort of nonstop.

Bobby: I have a real  hate for the holidays. It’s non-existent.

Jen: Is that right?

Bobby: I just, I spend my life decorating things and so, I think and also I worked retail for so many years and, you know, often the holidays start in September in retail stores.

Jen: That’s so true.

Bobby: And I just got my still, you know, listening to holiday music every day for four months of the year. Yep. Decorating trees for four months of the year. Yeah. I think I’ve never really thought of it in terms of why I’m not really a huge fan of holidays, but I think it’s because I experience the holidays way more than most people do.

Bobby: And not to mention, like we didn’t have a big family growing up, you know, it was just my sister and I. And so sometimes we’d go to Texas to visit my grandparents. But I didn’t have cousins so Christmas was never a big, huge thing for my family. And so to this day, like my husband and I celebrate it by going somewhere, you know, the holidays.

Bobby: Yeah, especially now being in entertainment, the holidays. It’s the one time of year where I know more than likely I won’t be working because productions just don’t happen. The holidays, just starting from mid-November until after New Year’s, is kind of just like meetings don’t happen and shows don’t get filmed. Commercials don’t show.

Bobby: That is the time of year, I know I can say, all right, we are going to our home in Portugal for a month and a half, and I don’t have to worry about missing anything. And for us, the holidays are all about leaving and getting and getting out of town.

Jen: Dreamy.

Amy: That’s actually really healthy boundaries and not getting sucked back into something that didn’t bring you joy.

Jen: Yeah, it’s so it just zaps you when you’re in retail. I mean, there’s this I mean, fine, you just hate everybody. Hate Christmas, hate the baby Jesus. Like, we just want none of it, you know, Santa Claus. Boo. I didn’t.

Bobby: Know. And and and holiday shopping always brought out the worst in people. And so it’s just, I think people that work retail sometimes have PTSD with the holidays.

Jen: Yes. Yeah. Yeah.

Amy: So even though you have some healthy boundaries, what’s your advice for your clients who still want to decorate? But, you understand the huge role mental health plays and how your environment affects that? How do you advise your clients when they’re decorating for the holidays? Like how can you do it where it’s still celebratory, but not chaos?

Bobby: It goes back to being the CEO. You know, if Christmas chaos makes you happy…. I don’t know if you guys watched Drag Race, but there’s a drag queen named Shannel. She was on, I think, season 1 or 2. And then she came back for all sorts recently. And yeah, the level that she decorates for Christmas, it is insane. And she lives in Vegas. Her home turns into something that is, I mean, it is more magnificent than any casino’s Christmas display could ever be. And it takes a while too. She just absolutely loves it. It makes her happy. So my advice is, you know, my sister puts up about six Christmas trees in her house. She loves it. You know, if that makes you happy, if you love starting in October and for the next three months, just decorating your house, if that, that’s what makes you tick, do it. But if you don’t, don’t feel pressured to do it. Don’t be like, oh, well, my friends don’t think I’m festive because I don’t decorate. Well, that’s not your friend’s house. If your friends want to decorate their house, let them decorate their house. Don’t feel pressured to decorate for Christmas or the holidays, or Hanukkah or Halloween or you know, what’s the other one? Thanksgiving.

Jen: There it is.

Bobby: People think you’re a Grinch. It’s not to mention the environmental impact of all this stuff, you know? So don’t feel pressure to do it. If that stuff makes you happy, great. If it doesn’t, don’t feel pressure to do it.

Jen: Oh my gosh.

Amy: That is good advice.

Jen: I love that. My first Christmas, after I had gotten divorced and everything was overwhelming, life was overwhelming. Just a Tuesday was overwhelming. So we were coming up on Christmas and I was like, but I just, I’m going to have to make the magic, you know? I’ve got to make the magic for the kids, and I’ve got to do the thing.

And even just the thought of dragging out all the boxes and doing it by myself was so daunting. And I’m telling you that I, like, got my phone and I googled and I called and I found some little boutique company and they’re like, we’ll come in and do it all. We’ll bring in the tree, we’ll bring in the decorations, we’ll bring in the garland, we’ll set it up, we’ll come in the day after Christmas, take everything out like it was never there. And I was like, take my credit card, take my money. I don’t care what your prices are. Name it. And I bought Christmas. I had a consumer Christmas that year and it was brilliant. My house looked lovely and not like a garbage little kid Christmas tree like it looked like for so many years. I’m like, this looks like it belongs in the mall. Like it’s a beautiful mall Christmas tree.

Bobby: The first show I ever did for HGTV was Celebrity Holiday Homes back in 2013, and they had me come in and decorated Tiffani Amber Thiessen. So who is just oh yeah, one of the most lovely human beings you’ll ever meet in your life. She’s just.

Jen: It’s nice to hear. Oh.

Bobby: And we were doing her great room and, you know, we were shooting this in July, so, you know, it had to be very planned because you couldn’t just run out and get decorations. So the original plan was for the tree to be in the corner. And so I got enough decorations to decorate, you know, two thirds of the tree because the back half was going to be facing a wall, because that’s okay budget wise.

Bobby: What I get in July. And then at the last minute the producer was like, you know what? No, I think this tree needs to be in the center of the room. And I was like, oh, I got nothing for Asians for this. So luckily Home Depot already had out holiday decor at the end of July. All they had was some Martha Stewart Christmas stuff, but I was like, Thank God Martha.

Jen: Yeah, thanks, Martha. She comes through yet again.

Bobby: It didn’t go with what I had planned, but we made it work.

Jen: Oh my gosh. It’s like, you think you’re going to Portugal. Well, guess what? We’re gonna put the tree in the middle of the room, so joke’s on you, guy.

Bobby: Can’t get away from this.

Jen: Okay, listen, I think we sent these pictures over. We just did it before we did a reno of this little studio.

Bobby: There’s pictures?

Jen: They may not have come over, but it doesn’t matter because you can see behind us. Okay, this is like a little structure in the back of my yard. It was garbage. Like trash. Garbage. Like I could see the dirt through the floor. Like when we first bought this. Our house is old. It’s like 1908. So everything here is really old on the property? No, I’m in Buda, which is just south of Austin, but we’re like in the little old downtown Buda. Super cute, very main street, very like Americana.

Bobby: Like you were in Travis Heights before. Maybe. I just imagine that.

Jen: I wish I was in Travis Heights. Bobby, is that where your house was?

Bobby: We were in Boulder Creek. The house that we shot in was, I think it was east side, but no, I lived in Boulder.

Jen: Oh. The cutest. Yeah.

Amy: The great neighborhood. Great.

Jen: I know, of course. Yeah. Of course, Mary Street. Oh, you lived in the belly of the beast.

Bobby: Yeah, it was..And I was lucky enough to get the same house when we came back to film again.

Jen: You did? Yeah. Wow.

Bobby: Yeah. The couple loved me because, like, their house, I gave their house back to them better than I got it.

Jen: Because, I mean, sure.

Bobby: All the maintenance issues were fixed there. Like, the yard’s been taken care of and I’m like, oh, you had a designer stuck in your house for a month during Covid.

There were like, our plants have never looked better when Bobby was at our house.

Jen: So. That’s amazing. Yeah.

Bobby: I normally, after long-term guests, we have to replace them all. But these are all right, of course.

Jen: And replace everything you stole. So how nice that you were, like, a thoughtful renter.

Amy: I live on an acre. I live outside Austin a bit. I already have one tiny home for a kid that’s so large in the backyard. Yeah, but, I mean, I hope to build a few, both for kids and visitors and rental income. What are some tips you have? Do’s or don’ts when designing and living in a really tiny space.

Amy: Yeah.

Bobby: Think about your real estate from top to bottom. Not just side to side, you know, and make sure that everything has at least a dual function. If not a multi-function. You know, if there’s a table, make sure that table has storage in it. You know, if it’s a seat, make sure that seat opens up and, you know, it’s a cube that has storage in it.

Bobby: You know, make sure everything has dual use. That’s my biggest piece of advice, you know, again, think of things from top to bottom, not just side to side use. Utilize that real estate all the way up to the ceiling.

Amy: Yeah. What is something you can do to not make it feel so closed in? I mean, there’s only so many square feet, even if it’s super functional. So, how can you make it still feel welcoming? Without claustrophobic?

Bobby: I mean, mirrors are always a great thing, you know, they definitely open a space. Obviously windows, you know, do as many windows. Yeah. Possible. You know, try to do indoor outdoor space, you know, instead of doing a window, do a glass door, you know, that can open up, you know, and when the weather’s good.

Bobby: Oh. Yeah.

Jen: Well, the weather is good in Austin for like three months, three months. So, I mean, we got to keep that shit shut tight from May to November. It’s so funny.

Bobby: So we started there in March, and I was like, oh yeah, we’re just going to stay in Austin until either. But then May got there and I was like 120% humidity and like yeah, that’s right. I mean I’m originally from Houston…

Jen: And then you left for a reason.

Bobby: The swamp ass is why I left Texas.

Jen: I know. I have taken it upon myself to travel the entire month of July. And I’m like, why would I be here if I don’t have to? Where else can I go? All right. Before we let you go back to your life today, just we’d love to hear what you are the most excited about right now.

What’s coming up for you. Or something you want to come up for you. You’re like, this is an itch I want to scratch. And I haven’t done it yet, but this is something I’d like to do one way or another.

Bobby: Yeah. I mean, I have some great new shows that I’m working on at the moment that will be announced and coming out in the next six months. So.

Jen: We don’t get to know about those?

Bobby: No. Not yet, not yet. So, and, you know, my partnership with Tricon Homes, I am always excited about that because we’re always getting to do like, we have a new project coming up with them outside of Salt Lake City that is not only planned community, but we’re also doing six completely custom home built like beautiful, like 4 or 5000 square foot homes.

Bobby: The land that they bought for the, you know, 100 home community happened to be attached to these six, I think, like acre and a half lots. And so we’re doing like wow state homes. And those will be really cool because they’re going again, they’re completely custom homes that we’re getting ready that we’re able to do lots of fun stuff with.

Bobby: So I literally have the kickoff meeting for those on Friday. Yeah. So something and again, that’s what’s great. See, they’re, they’re, they’re a major home builder, but they love making those homes so custom.

Jen: Yeah I love that. That’s unusual. That’s I would not say that is industry standard at all. So that’s a great partner for you to work with. Fantastic. And they I can’t.

Bobby: I can’t from, from first time homebuyers. You know they do townhomes to the you know. $1 million custom home.

Jen: Great great. It’s like something for everybody. I would love some of my young adults to discover a home there and move out. So, we love to see first time homeowner homebuyer incentives. Okay. Well, look, we love you to death. I’m so delighted to hear you have new shows coming out. You’re so great at that. It would be a crime for you not to get back in front of the camera.

So. Agree. You’re just made for that, too. Like, not all designers are, like, great in front of a camera. And you are so, so exciting. We’ll be watching whenever you can tell us about that. It’s very mysterious, very kept behind the firewall.

Bobby: It is,

Jen: Yes. Thrilling. Thanks for coming on today. It’s just always so great to see you and just have just loved knowing you these last few years. I loved watching you. I love your relationships. I like how you are, like how you treat people. To say nothing of all your immense gifts and talents, you’re so good at what you do.

Jen: So anyway, cheering for you. Thank you. Welcome. Thank you. Okay.

Amy: All right. Thanks for being here. Good to see you.

Jen: I think my favorite thing about what he said was the quote that you gave him, which is you’re the CEO of your own instincts and design. And if you love it, it’s going to work.

Amy: It’s going to work. Love that. Every damn time is what.

Jen: He says every damn time. And sometimes design feels dire. You know, like, oh, I can’t paint that wall. Or what if I don’t like it? Well, what if you don’t repaint it?

Amy: Repaint it?

Jen: These are not dire things. Actually, design should not be this, like, tight chested. Yeah.

Amy: Business in his book and his website. Thread the needle. Really well on encouraging you to go with what you like, go with your instincts. But also for people who struggle accessing that area. Like a lot of people can look at three different pictures and say which one they like more.

Jen: Yeah.

Amy: But then just figuring out what you do in their own space is sometimes paralyzing.

Jen: That’s so true.

Amy: In this he does a great job of saying like, use your instincts. And also here’s some tools.

Jen: Yes, totally. And then even here’s links. If you like this, look here, I’ve already shopped it for you and one of my favorite things is, Sorry, guys. Right when I first went to his website, the first for sort of home items that he had kind of curated to go with a room that he was showcasing Walmart and Target.

Jen: So, I mean, we’re not talking about out of reach pieces that only, like, rich and famous.

Amy: People come back, know it’s like an Amazon storefront. Yeah, exactly. And also, everything looks great.

Jen: So he’s got beautiful taste. Yeah. Truly. Thanks for being here with us today, you guys. And, we’ll have this episode over at Jen hatmaker.com and the podcast tab, and we’ll round up all the links to Bobby’s socials and his book and his website so you can find them all in one place. He’s a really fun person to follow too.

Jen: He’s just positive and funny, and his life is so interesting. And he’s one of my favorite social follows as well. So, thank you everybody for subscribing. We really appreciate that. If you haven’t already done it. Really. I mean, take the five seconds it’ll cost you and wherever you listen to podcasts is hit add or plus or follow whatever the term is on that particular platform and that’s it.

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Jen: All right, that’s it. Thanks for joining us this week and we will see you next time.

Amy: Thank you all.

 

 

Resources Mentioned in This Episode:

Queer Eye for the Straight Guy

Queer Eye

Queer Eye on Netflix

Series 26: Episode 02: Queer Eye’s Bobby Berk on the Fire Inside Us All

BobbyBerk.com

Right at Home: How Good Design Is Good for the Mind: An Interior Design Book by Bobby Berk

When Jen met Bobby in Mexico

Tripointe Homes Style Finder Quiz

Michael Graves

Michael Graves Target  Collaboration

Isaac Mizrahi Target Collaboration

Jen’s master bathroom remodel

Bobby at the 76th Emmy’s

RuPaul’s Drag Race

Celebrity Holiday Homes on HGTV