Juneteenth, Justice & the Next America: Lisa Sharon Harper
“In the past, my hope was in the law. In the past, my hope was in the dream of America, the Constitution, the Declaration of Independence, the Bill of Rights. My hope was in the church. But what I’m learning is that the arc of the moral universe has bent toward justice because people have bent it.”
Episode 144
As we celebrate Juneteenth, Jen sits down with writer, activist, theologian, and longtime friend Lisa Sharon Harper for a conversation that’s equal parts history lesson, spiritual challenge, and call to action. Together, they explore the often-overlooked story of Juneteenth—not just the delayed news of emancipation in Texas, but the deeper history of freedom promised, denied, and fought for across generations.
Fresh from a powerful march across Selma’s Edmund Pettus Bridge, Lisa reflects on what it means to stand in the footsteps of civil rights heroes while confronting the realities of the present moment. Drawing from her own family’s legacy of resistance, she shares why her hope no longer rests in institutions, laws, or political systems, but in ordinary people willing to bend the arc of history toward justice.
The conversation moves from the unfinished work of voting rights to the spiritual courage required for this cultural moment. As Lisa puts it, perhaps our task is not simply to recover what has been lost, but to become “the architects of the next America.”
Whether you’re marking Juneteenth, wrestling with questions about democracy and belonging, or searching for hope in uncertain times, this conversation is a timely reminder that freedom has always depended on people willing to imagine—and build—something better.
Resources Mentioned in This Episode:
(The Gospel of Shalom) Unequally Saved: The Church’s Role in Racism with Lisa Sharon Harper
Fortune: How Race Broke My Family and the World–and How to Repair It All by Lisa Sharon Harper
“All Roads Lead To The South” Rally
A Resistance History of the United States by Tad Stoermer
Amazing Grace | William Wilberforce film
Battle of the Alamo (Wikipedia)
How to Decolonize the Bible (original iteration)
Lisa’s Substack | Subscribe for updates about How to Decolonize the Bible 2.0
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